From: "Knight, Eric" <EKnight@Elliot-HS.org>
To: "ihi-icop" <ihi-icop@ls.ihi.org>
Subject: [ihi-icop] RE: Billing for Group Visits
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:10:08 -0500
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Our compliance people have expressed similar concerns, but we've had no problems using E&M codes as long as we check vital signs, document the topics of discussion in the group visit, and review each patient chart to determine if there are any routine labs or other measures of prevention and control that are due. If I don't spend any 1:1 time with the patient I bill it as 99212, and if we do have 1:1 time I use 99213 or 99214 depending on complexity. If by some chance we miss even getting vital signs, we have a 'dummy code' in Epic (our EMR) to document that they came for a diabetes group visit and there is no charge beyond the $5 copay we require.

 

Based on the documentation which is done, our compliance people agree that it's unlikely we will ever have a problem - although they would prefer that there could be a way of making the coding and billing more accurate.

 

Eric Knight, MD, EdM

Londonderry, NH

-----Original Message-----
From: Gutierrez, Pete [mailto:Pete.Gutierrez@dhha.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:43 PM
To: ihi-icop
Subject: RE: [ihi-icop] Billing for Group Visits

To our dismay CMS has refused multiple attempts to convince them otherwise.  Dr. John Scott, a geriatrician and pioneer in this field, is on our staff in our Internal Medicine department at Denver Health. He has made multiple trips to Washington to try to convince them.  Our compliance department holds the same view you have expressed.  We continue forward with our group visit work and do not include Medicare patients.  As an academic practice, we strive to continue to document the clinical gains and build the case for financial and operational benefit to bringing care to an ever growing uninsured population for which we do not have the resources to fulfill the need.  We press on in this work.  I encourage you all to do so.

Regards,

Pete Gutierrez 

Service Line Adminstrator for Community Health

Denver Health

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Taylor [mailto:km_taylor@msn.com]
Sent: Wed 3/23/2005 7:00 PM
To: ihi-icop
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Subject: [ihi-icop] Billing for Group Visits

We have been doing group visits for diabetes pts in for 2 years. 

To bill for this we have been using a "Progress note" published in the Family Practice Management journal in June 2000. The web site for this article is: http://www.aafp.org/fpm/20000600/33plan.html. I am attaching the "Progress Note" document in Word for your review.

Essentially we bill E & M codes; a 99213 if no rx changes are made, a 214 if we make rx changes. The main component of the billing is based on time in counseling.
Recently compliance managers in our organization have expressed concern about this billing approach. They cite a CMS publication which is at this site:
http://www.aishealth.com/Compliance/ResearchTools/RMCMedicareBillingPossible.html
According to this report a CMS official states, "Medicare does not have any existing payment or coding rules that directly address patients being seen in a group setting," and the premise of CPT codes is a face-to-face encounter between one patient and one physician, which leaves out the group setting.
Our compliance managers are requesting that we not bill E&M codes unless we see the pts one on one in an exam room. They request that we be certified as diabetes education providers and meet the National Diabetes Advisory Board Standards. Then we can bill an approved CPT code explicitly for diabetes group sessions. We don't have time or interest in getting this certification and believe our care delivery justifies an E & M code based on counseling and one on one care.

I need help folks. I am looking at having to close down this care delivery innovation that has been the most effective and life giving experience for our providers and pts.
Anyone have other ideas on how to make group visits financially viable?
Kevin Taylor MD, MS
Director Quality and Primary Care Operations
St. Joseph Mercy Medical Group
Ann Arbor Michigan
km_taylor@msn.com
734-547-7929